Why do I study Japanese
Why do I study Japanese Actually I have no idea why I decided to go to Japan

I often try to justify it. Originally, around 1994, when I was working in San Fransisco, our *Chief Technologist*, Mark, spoke fluent Japanese. As such (and with alot of guts) he was able to get Sony Japan to send us a Playstation Development Kit even though we were a smaller publisher. So, that's when I decided that it was important. I tried taking a class back then but I was working tons of overtime so I gave it up after 3 lessons. (By tons I if I wasn't at work I was sleeping and that's it)

When I moved back to Orange County in 1995 (I think it was 1995) I meet some new friends, a Japanese and American couple. Maki was from Japan and Craig was from America. We started hanging out and they were going to go to Japan for a week for a wedding and to visit Maki's parents and they invited me. Craig and I ended up taking a community Japanese class to prepare a little. It was pretty lame though. I also bought some of the pimsuler tapes. I don't know if you've heard of Pimsuler but they are pretty good tapes. You can get a sample at Barnes and Noble.

Anyway, then in 1996 I think I started going to Orange Coast College Japanese classes with a couple of other friends. They quit after the first semester but I went for 3. I'd argue it's the wrong way to learn. All the instruction was in English and of course the students aren't nearly as serious as they should be. I didn't know that at the time though.

Well, after 2 semesters there, they were not going to offer a summer course for 3rd semester (not enough interest) so I started at Berlitz on Mark's recommendation (the same friend that talked to Sony in 94, he had learned at Berlitz). I had also gotten Japanese roommates at the time so I could practice and he said I should be studying while I had that opportunity. Of course we mostly spoke English. Berlitz helped in that it's one teacher one student but it's very expensive ($40 a hour, $80 in Japan). Anyway, that September I decided I was going to quit my company, it was not dong well, and it occured to me that as I was 33 and no girlfriend/family/etc I should go to Japan to really study since I could. I talked to Mark and he said he could help me get a job there. We flew to Japan and he got me a job a Sega.

The problem was that they worked 10am to 11:30 pm with a 1 hour 20 minute commute. In other words, too much to study AND, as I'm a programmer I can work alone so with my poor Japanese they would draw a picture of what they wanted and then I'd work alone for a few days making it. The extent of my talking opportunities was bascially we'd go to dinner every night from about 7pm to 8pm and I'd talk to them for maybe 5 minutes before they would give up trying. That's supposedly most people's experience with foreign languages unless you are a super outgoing person or with super outgoing people or maybe if you are one on one instead of 8 nationals and 1 foreigner so that you have to talk to each other.

So, as my Japanese didn't seem like it was getting any better and I was working too hard and not making any friends and also a really great opportunity came up back in L.A. I decided to come back. Of course about 3 weeks before I left I did make some friends and my language skills, for unknown reasons, got better so all of a sudden I didn't want to leave but I had already made all the plans so I came back to L.A.

I did the Japanese roommate thing again (note: both times I gave a free room in exchange for Japanese practice). This time we spoke nearly 100% Japanese and this is probably the single biggest thing that helped my language. Speaking Japanese everyday for a few hours with my roommates for about 6 months.

Last year I got sick of my boss (as had other people before me) and I ended up quitting in June. I goofed off for a couple of months but the 2 guys I hung out with got busy. One was practically engaged to one of my roommates, she had moved in with him a couple of months before. The other had to go to Hong Kong for 6 months to take care of his dad. So, I was without buddies. So, I decided kinda in an "I've got nothing better to do so why not" way to come back to Japan and study full time as I had gotten a big enough bonus that I could probably do it for a year or more with no job.

Unfortunately as I suck at making new friends it's not going so well. I've been here 5 months but I have far less chances to speak Japanese here in Japan than I did in America with 2 Japanese roommates. I'm still trying to figure out how to fix that. My original idea was to volunteer at a computer graphics school that I had some connections with and I'm doing that but it's not working out. I'm a TA and I get almost no chance to speak except to say "click here" and "hold this key while clicking there" in Japanese. I'm not there enough or at the right times to get to really make friends there.

I'm talking to Sega about working for them again just 3-4 days a week, 4 hours a day like 3pm to 7pm. Then I can talk to my old co-workers/friends and I can go to dinner with them around 7. They want to do it but I think they are leary of only 12-16 hours a week. Legally on a student visa I can't work more than 4 hours a day / 20 hours a week.

So, did I answer the question? I guess not, it's just some background. The answer is that I continue to study because I it bothers me more than I can stand when I don't understand Japanese. I've been studying for more than 4 years now. I should be fluent. The problem is switching schools and methods 3 times and having the first school suck has really screwed me up and made it take far longer than it should. The problem is that when you switch schools you start a new program that expects you to know different things. You don't want to start back a level 0 so you start say at level 3 but 30% of the stuff that was taught in the first 3 levels you don't know yet. For example OCC and Berlitz don't really teach Kanji at all. My current school you learn 500 kanji in the first 3 levels (9 months). I started at level 3 (of 8) so I'm missing knowledge of about 300 kanji. That's making it really tough.

It should take about 1 year to get to my current level and 2 years to get *fluent* as in able to watch TV, talk to anybody, even read a magazine, etc. If I had just come to Japan in the first place and studied full time I'd be fluent now. Everytime I can't understand something I want to study more. Of course the opposite is also true. As it's been 4 years, everytime I don't understand something I think I suck and that maybe I should give it up. I really don't have a stronger reason for studying. I don't want to work here. I may be able to use it to get funding for a company or to negotiate but..... I'm also worried about how I'll keep fluent. Unless I get a Japanese girlfriend, stay in Japan or get some kind of job that requires me to use Japanese I'll probably forget it all when I go back to the U.S.

Comments:

I understand you very good [ e ]

Hello Gregg!!
I think you know me allready, we wrote Emails few times. I can understand your feeling at the Moment, i think you are a little frustrated about everything, i donエt know such as good, but i do study japanese for 2 Years now, and iエve got the same problems with the understanding. Sorry, if my English isnエt perfect, iエm from germany, and it isnエt easy to write in english sometimes. The reason why i write you is that i made the same experience in Japan. i lived there for aprx. 9 Month, and it was frustating every day, i also worked in japan, but it was a little easier because of the Company was german. But my only friend was my Girlfriend (now wife), so we decided to go back to germany, now iエm working in germany at a international Company, and maybe you canエt imagine it, but nearly every day i hope to live and work in japan again, so donエt give up, iエm sure you will beat it. And if everything runs fine here in Germany, maybe i can live my dream some day....

posted by connerMarch 10, 2001 at 14:39

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Hi Gregg.
If you can still remember, I am the person that asked you about buy the Casio PDA. I have been studying Japanese on and off for about 7 years. I totally understand your feeling of learning Japanese.
To conclude The beginning failure of my study, I lacks a objective to study Japanese. One of my friend who successed in studying Japanese is that he has a objective.. He likes animates very much and he want to understand the song of animates.
So, my werid objective is to build a database to illustrate the real fact of "How Japanese did to other Asian Countriesi in World War II" in Japanese(You know the Japanese Government is changing the history book, deny to confress etc. Germany Government is MUCH MUCH better Government in this case)
So, find youself an objective, life is tough but I think you are tougher ;)

posted by patpatngMarch 13, 2001 at 10:20

The best way to learn Japanese... [ e ]

is to get a Japanese girlfriend, just ask Schlaulau and Evan ^^!

posted by EmateMarch 19, 2001 at 12:13

Uh....Thanks [ e ]

"Get a Japanese girlfriend". That's about as useful as Steve Martin's advice and how to get make a million dollars and never pay taxes.

Step 1: Get a million dollars
...

I need to know HOW to get a Japanese girlfriend. Where do I find a Japanese girl that's

(1) interested in having an American boyfriend
(2) doesn't speak english
(3) Is interested in somebody 35 going on 36
(4) Is a match for me (not an airhead)

Finding a Japanese girl that's interested in having an American boyfriend is not that hard. Just go to Roppongi. The problem is they are all 19 to 23 and are looking for 19 to 26. Not 35. If I was 19 to 26 this would be trivial. Unfortunately I'm not. They are also all airheads. I know that's an over generalization but I'd make alot more money betting on that than the stock market.

The ones that are around my age generally speak fluent or near fluent English. Getting them to speak Japanese more often than not is not trivial

Finding a match is the hardest part. Even if I could find a girl interested in a 35 year old american guy we'd most likely have nothing in common. (which so far has been my experience, Japan or America)

Note: that doesn't mean I'm not working on it. I've meet 3 women recently and am working on meeting more.

#1 Looked much older than me even if around the same age. Not a very nice person. Intellectually at the same level though but very very very picky about stuff. (ie, can't have any fun) Fluent English and not happy to listen to broken Japanese

#2 is currently only a practice partner. She's under 30 but I would not have guessed it. She's cute. She's an editor at a computer magazine. That's cool. Similar interests I guess. No idea if she's interested in more then language exchange. English very very week so mostly Japanese conversation. Will see where it goes.

#3 is a project coordinator for CD cover art creation. Seems strange to me that there would be a company that would do only that. I'd think it would just be part of a publisher's marketing department but what do I know. She's actually in charge of one of the top 3 singer's CD covers in Japan. Can you name the top 3? She seems very interesting. But, I doubt we really have that much in common. She smokes and she believes in astrology and similar stuff. Something that really really turns me off in a big way. But, she's somewhat agressive so I'm seeing where it goes. Nearly fluent English but makes an effort to make half our time together in Japanese.

posted by greggmanMarch 20, 2001 at 12:38

School [ e ]

What school are you at "learning japanese"?

choncy.

posted by choncyJanuary 16, 2002 at 11:18

Kai Nihongo School [ e ]

Kai Nihongo School

posted by greggmanJanuary 17, 2002 at 17:26

Foolproof plan (this will work) [ e ]

How to get a Japanese girlfriend who meets your "list of 4" standards

Step 1: Complete drop all of your standards for finding a woman

Step 2: See step 1. Repeat.

Seriously, I'm no math wiz, but I'm betting that you're seriously limiting your ability to find a girl you want to keep because of these artificial barriers you've created.

For example, qualification 1 "interested in having an American boyfriend". Start with "interested in having an American friend" and see where that goes.

Qualification 2: doesn't speak english. You're not serious, are you? Chuck that one out... because if you find a girl who speaks english, I bet she has a good-looking friend who doesn't speak it as well as she does.

Qualification 3: is interested in somebody 35 going on 36. You don't look that old in your pictures, so why advertise age?

Qualification 4: is a match for me. I have a good friend back in the U.S. who isn't married yet (she just turned 34) because she has all of these "rules" she's placed as blocks for herself:

[1] No sex until 6 months of dating have passed
[2] No younger men
[3] Has to be upwardly mobile (nice way of saying sugar daddy)

I teased that she'd never find a guy that'd meet those standards... of course, she was 27 when I made that prediction. ;)

Good luck!

posted by cstaylorFebruary 23, 2002 at 19:13

How are you doing in Japan and your Japanese? [ e ]

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Reading your long mail, talking about how you now ended up in Japan, I've got an impression that you maybe differ from the stereotype image we Japanese tend to have.  Please don't get me wrong. I say this in a positive meaning. 

Have you been or preferably lived in local areas in Japan?  Maybe there you maybe able to have more chance to come across with your future girlfriend.

There you can find a bit different women/girls from those at Ropponji I guess, for example.

Gook luck and hope you enjoy yourself in Japan!

obahime

posted by obahimeSeptember 9, 2002 at 0:22

English [ e ]

私は、日本人だけれども、外国人で本当に上手な日本語をしゃべる人に会った機会があるのは二度だけです。1人目は大学の英語の外国人教師です。彼は、本当に上手でした。イギリスから来ていました。

もう一人は、アメリカから来た宣教師でした。私は、彼が、きれいな流暢な日本語を話すので非常に驚きました。彼が、私が会った中では、一番日本語が上手でした。彼は日本に来て2年目であると言っていました。私は2年目ときいた時、本当に驚きました。それでいくつか質問しました。しかし、アメリカに居たとき、大学では、建築を専攻していたなど、どれも日本とは関係のないことで私は驚きました。なぜ?そんなに日本語がうまいのですか?と彼に尋ねたら、�あなたとこういうふうにしゃべるから�だといっていました。つまり、いろんな人と会話するからだという意味でした。後、日本人に英語を教えていることもわかりまた。

posted by anon_DoszilaSeptember 24, 2002 at 11:41

RE:English [ e ]

私は人生の希望は日本語を上手に話せることですが、いくら勉強しても身に付けられなくて、イライラしています。その宣教師の例を見て、刺激となりますね。

Thanks Doszilla.

Mike

posted by mbarbarSeptember 24, 2002 at 13:00

日本語に必要なこと [ e ]

私の個人的な意見だけど、日本語が上手になるために必要なのはお母さんのような扱いだと思います。子供は話すとき、小さい間違いでも、お母さんに正しい言語を教えてもらうですよね。そのことがあればすぐ上手になるだろ。今私は日本語に色々な間違いは癖になってきました。でも誰でもそれを直してくれません。多分皆は会話がよく流れるために私の下手な日本語を一生懸命分かるようにしていますから。

よく言われているのは「恋人を出来たらすぐ上手になる」ということですが、でも私は誰でもいいタイプじゃないので簡単に六本木に行って、六本木ガールに付き合うことが出来ません。

いつまで頑張るのかなぁ。。。。。

posted by greggmanSeptember 24, 2002 at 21:26

how.to/nihongo [ e ]

日本語

how.to/nihongo

情報元

Global Communications Network

posted by anon_DoszilaSeptember 26, 2002 at 10:44

RE: 日本語に必要なこと [ e ]

ええ?信じられないんですよ。日本全体、君に合うタイプって全然いないのか。まさか。今週末、行きたくなくても、六本木へナンパに行け!

posted by mbarbarSeptember 26, 2002 at 13:05

RE:English [ e ]

Thank you for the link Doszilla.

posted by mbarbarSeptember 26, 2002 at 16:10

How do you like Kai Nihongo School? [ e ]

I'm planning on going to Japan to study Japanese for a year and Kai is one of the schools I've been looking at.

posted by henshinMarch 25, 2004 at 2:12

Kai [ e ]

Well, since I've never been to any other school I have nothing to compare it too.

I've been told that some schools are bad because they are 98% Korean or 98% Chinese so unless you are one of those 2 groups you have no one to socialize with and they all have different advantages. Koreans have the advantage that Korean is the closest language to Japanese.  Chinese have the advantage that they can read all the kanji.  In other words it will be hard for you to keep up if you don't have similar experience.  Well, Kai is a little more mixed.  40% Korean, 30% Chinese and 40% other.

Also my impression is Kai concentrates more on speaking and listening than reading and writing that some other schools.

But, my impression is that there are more serious schools that might be better.  A Japanese college perhaps, Sophia or Waseda.  I heard of school in Nagoya where you live at the school and are required to speak Japanese 24/7.  That sounds pretty awesome.

Sorry I can't be more help.

posted by greggmanMarch 25, 2004 at 4:12

California [ e ]

i took a summer class witch runs 6 weeks.
I didnt learn much i took it with a freind but eventually he droped it and i was to scared to continue.  I wasnt making any freinds in the course.  I think ill be ready for it in the summer.

posted by LuisJanuary 17, 2006 at 2:32

Japanese [ e ]

私は、思うのですが 白人が日本語を学ばなぶのが 韓国人や
中国人と一緒のクラスに入れるのは 最初から間違っています

posted by MarkStevensAugust 20, 2006 at 10:34

sexo [ e ]

posted by sexo12December 30, 2006 at 16:35