Back Pain - MRI
Back Pain - MRI This week I had a serious back pain issue. I've gotten different kinds of back pain in the past. I've assumed it was from bad posture while programming. I used to get some pretty serious back pain in the states now and then. It didn't usually seem to last all that long, a couple of days.

Well, in the last few years there have been a couple of times where I've had some serious back pain. A very sharp pain in my lower back, so sharp that I can't use my back. There have been times were I literally had to drag my self across my apartment by my hands. I would just tell myself to pay attention to posture more, stretch more, take some ibuprofen and the problem would go away.

Well, this week it got really bad. Starting last Sunday I woke up with back pain but it seemed manageable. It lasted through Tuesday. It was pretty bad but I could still get up. In the past I had done things like hang from the chin-up bar or something trying to stretch my back. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do that with in my apartment. It was hurting pretty bad so I asked some friends to stretch me but they didn't get it I guess and couldn't or wouldn't pull hard enough. Maybe a good thing but you know how they always show someone fixing someone's back in the movies. In my mind I imagined a pinched nerve and if I could just give it some space maybe it would slip back out.

That night I even braided some rope, tied it around the only fixed thing in my apartment, the toilet, across to the bedroom were I could stick my feet out the sliding door of my apartment onto the balcony and catch my feet on the curb leading into the apartment. Then I could grab the rope, pull, and hopefully stretch my back. No luck as far as I can tell. I think the big problem is unlike hanging, with both arms and legs pulling I think they use all the muscles in the back so it can't stretch. Maybe that actually made it worse though I doubt it, but.....

The next morning. PAIN!!! I got up, immediately felt like I was going to faint, made it to the bathroom and braced myself on the sink. Lowered my head and hoped maybe I had just gotten up to fast and the feeling would pass but actually it didn't pass, my face was pale and I felt nauseous. I went back to lie down and felt like crap. I could barely move. Even turning over to adjust my position in bed was hard. To get up I would have to very slowly roll over on my stomach, straighting my legs and putting my arms above my head to make myself into something easy to role but at the same time stick out a foot or arm to make sure there was absolutely no pressure on my back as I turned. Then, once on my stomach I would lift my torso up by my arm strength alone although if I wasn't careful, when I was on all fours my back would have some pressure and start hurting and I'd have to quickly get back down. If I managed to get on all fours without pain then I would have to push myself up by bracing my hands on my thighs, again, keeping my back out of it.

I managed to take some pain pills and that got me able to waddle over to the doctor. One thing nice about Tokyo, there's pretty much a doctor's office within 2 ~ 3 minutes walk of anywhere. Of course the bad part is lots of them suck.

Anyway, my doctor told me he didn't need to take an xray since he had taken one just about 5 weeks before (another story(1)). He felt my back, said my right muscles in the area that hurt were super tight and prescribed some muscle relaxing medicine. That was Wednesday. He also told me to just use the pain medicine he had given me for the last problem(1). I tried both but they didn't really seem to do anything through Wednesday and Thursday.

Even sleep was hard because face down or face up was not comfortable on my back for more than about 3 minutes. Some muscle tension would build up and it would start hurting. I could only sleep on my side which I don't normally do because normally that makes my back hurt the next day

So, today I woke up not feeling any better. I took 600mg of ibuprofen. Then I looked up the medicines just for fun. The drug he gave me is called Tizanidine and typical, the Japanese doses are MUCH lower than the American doses. The Japanese doses are 1mg. According that webpage the American doses are 8mg. I wasn't ready to try taking 8 pills at once and I thought maybe I should go to a specialist so I went to a local hospital.

Japanese hospitals are not like Western ones in that you can go in for any reason, even a cold and see any specialist, just walk in. No referral. Hospitals are not just for things that need a hospital like they are in America, they are just a place doctors happen to be and equipment. Rather like a large clinic. In some ways it's good, in others..most don't seem to have an emergency ward and they are only open from like 9~12 and 3~6 or rather only take patients then. Because they are open to walkins you generally have to wait a long time.

Anyway, by the time I got there, about 10am, I was actually feeling pretty good. I assumed it was the ibuprofen but I actually felt almost cured. I thought that was both good and bad. I was happy to be feeling a lot better but I wanted the doctor to be able to find the problem. The constant pain or tightness was gone but fortunately or unfortunately, when I tested the sharp pain was still there in certain positions.

That doctor moved my legs and had me lay down in different positions which brought the sharp pain out. He ordered 6 x-rays. I think that's the most I've ever had. He couldn't see anything in them so he suggested I get an MRI.

I was a little scared having heard about having to be completely still for 40 minutes at a time. I had heard on the net they had newer equipment that only took 10 but the doctor said I was mistaken, that was CT. MRI took 30~40 minutes. He said their MRI was really busy and I'd have to wait a week but I could go to some other places to get it done if I wanted. They called the closest one and I could have it done today at 5:50pm.

It was 2pm when I got home. 4 hours to see the doc. I looked up on the net and found out they do have faster MRI. I got to the MRI place at 5:30. It was a clinic just for MRI and was happy to see they actually had the newest equipment.

They took the scan. It took less then 10 minutes I think. I'm not sure what they found but as I was leaving I thought, "hey, I'd really like a copy of the raw data to try to display on my own" so I asked them if they had it and they said, "Sure thing and we can burn it to a CD for you for $25". EXCELLENT!

I got home thinking if I wanted to see the data I was going to at least have to write something to convert it to 2d, let alone 3d. But...........

First, the CD came with the data in multiple formats. One format called ".dcm". No idea what it is but it's 338k per file. Another though was a Javascript enabled webpage that would let you browse all the images quickly and even animate them. Here's an example


Finally there was windows software that would actually let you see the data in 3d, compute cross sections across the range of data and all kinds of stuff. Pretty impressive.

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Monday I go back to the doctor to look over the MRI images and tell me what he sees. Interestingly, the way doctors work in Japanese hospitals, there are usually 3~5 per speciality. When you get called in you get whoever is free. So, Monday I'll have a different doctor than I had today as the doctor I had today said he's not in on Monday. I don't know if that's good or bad. Is it better to have 2 eyes looking at me or is it better to have one who is more familiar.




(1) Just a few weeks ago I had a different but similar problem. I had a pain in my tailbone area. I almost felt like there was a rock in my tailbone but it hurt pretty bad. Actually somewhat similarly in that at certain positions it really sharply hurt. I couldn't move easily without setting it off and had to rest for a few days.

I went to the local doc and he took an x-ray and didn't see anything. He gave me some pain piils and sent me on my way. That was a Friday. By Monday the problem was not gone although the pain pills worked pretty well. So, I went to the big hospital. The specialist there looked at the x-ray and explained that problems in that area are hard to diagnose and the problem should normally go away in a week or two. A week or two stuck in bed didn't sound very good but fortunately the problem was mild enough by the next day I was back at work. For a couple of weeks though I could still feel it in certain positions. No pain perse but at least something, the rock in my tailbone.

I hope it's not all something worse.




Followup: I went to the doctor with the MRI and basically he said nothing. He pointed out 3 discs of cartilage in my lower back are wearing out and said that might be the problem but otherwise he didn't have anything else to say except hope it gets better and once it does start exercising and also take stretch breaks at work.

On the bright side, at least he didn't say it was anything worse.

Comments:

Health [ e ]

Ugh, at times I think we're all bound for back pain 'fun'.  Hope you feel better, and thanks for sharing!  I'll keep that MRI thing in mind, though I doubt American places would do something so cool.

posted by SandmichJuly 21, 2006 at 18:14

Are you ok now? [ e ]

Sorry about your back pain.

Does someone help you? rignt?

Hope you feel nice.

posted by kyokoJuly 22, 2006 at 9:09

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"That night I even braided some rope, ..."

Dude, that's like the setup to a Gary Larson cartoon right there.

posted by anonymouJuly 23, 2006 at 21:35

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Hi Greggman,

Long time lurker here, I just returned from a few weeks 'holiday' in Japan myself. I'm 35 y/o now, and been propped up in front of the computer since the C-64 days.. been working as a programmer most of my adult life too. Finally it's starting to take its toll on me.

Having been to Japan a few times before I thought I could just strap on a backpack and happily trek my way around from Osaka to Aomori and back again. Ohhh nooo, big mistake and I'm feeling the pain still now a few weeks after my return. I really stuffed my back up bad, and have been taking ibuprofen and using those weird Japanese hot/cold/methol pad things on my back too.

Slowly things are coming better, but originally I thought stretching my back was the problem - although now I feel that actually made it worse. I find that I have very tight calves and hamstrings from sitting at the PC all day. This had had a flow on effect to my back. I think it's these muscles that need to be stretched instead.

I have had minor back problems before, but not much luck with the doc's diagnosing anything. I've pretty much given up on them. You know they say the same thing.. Rest, light exercise & stretching, take anti-inflammatory tablets. Cost me a fortune in scans & tests so I can't be bothered with them any more.

Unfortunately I almost got stuck in Tohoku because basically I couldn't stand or walk any more. As you mentioned, the crappy Japanese medicine does did jack squat. I had (and still have) strange sensations down my legs, I'm guessing pinched nerve probably stemming from sciatica as a result of a herniated disk.

Man, I never thought I was old at 35 but really now I feel like back-packing is from those young folk. Suprisingly enough, there was one thing that made me feel a million times better - on one of my worst days some friends asked me to go 10 pin bowling.. I accepted (don't ask why!) but I was totally blown away. By half way through the first game I started to perk up and at the end of the night I felt great again! I've been to play again since I returned home, and each time had the same relief. I guess the light exercise really does help.

I've had this conversation with a few of my buddies and basically I think we've got to get away from these evil computer things that are sucking the life force out of us and get a job outdoors. Perhaps as a gardener, or some sort of manual labourer. Actually one of my friends left her job as a graphic designer and really did 'branch out' as a gardener. What a change.. Something that actually allows our bodies to MOVE every now and then! I know that I'll very easily sit at my desk for 4 hours straight and it really is killing me.

Hope you feel better soon, get out and move some more I reckon you'll perk right up.

posted by EyeballPrawnJuly 24, 2006 at 21:32

oh, man [ e ]

Gman, I was wincing in sympathetic pain from start to finish, reading this entry. You have /got/ to find a way to get your back problem addressed instead of waiting so long, or relying on whatever doctor is closest to your home. You should also consider some chiropractic treatment or acupuncture, but first make damned sure you haven't got a ruptured disc.

posted by bwanaJuly 25, 2006 at 0:32

Medicines in Japan [ e ]

Medical dosage are quite different compared to the US and Japan.  I work in a medical testing firm based in OC, and I'll tell you from experience that because of the cultural difference, food, diet, environment and genetics, the medicine given to Asian person will result in a different results compared to an American.  Typically the dosage given to an Asian is lower.  The studies I have done also seem to show that the body reacts differently in Asian-American than in Asians, so there is definitely some discrepancies there as well.

It is a fact that Japan is a big target for American pharmaceutical industry - in some ways because of the aging population over there.

But since the Japanese government has one of the toughest drug regulations in the world, foreign pharmaceutical companies simply cannot sell their drugs without a extensive clinical trials.  

At my company West Coast Clinical Trials - we are currently conducting clinical trials in 1st generation Japanese whose living style mimics that of the Japanese living in Japan - which means no Japanese-Americans or Japanese that has been living in the US for longer than 7-10 years.  

The drugs sold in Japan are designed for the Japanese.
There are also slight differences between Japanese/Chinese/Koreans in terms of how drug affects their bodies as well, but that is a whole different issue.

You should definitely talk to you doctor about the dosage of the drug prescribed.

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posted by txdave22July 30, 2006 at 12:25

gentle self-entertainment [ e ]

The top animation of your spine reminds me of one of those "wave machines", a block of blue and clear liquids (blue on bottom) that rocks back and forth to make wave-ish patterns.  What _is_ that stuff in your back?  (contrast agent injection?)  Can you do that at will?  Is that something we all do?  Cool!

Anyway, here's hoping the pain doesn't return.  You have a very enjoyable blog!

posted by LanceAugust 1, 2006 at 18:50

pansy [ e ]

lol i bet ur backpain will get worse and then u wont be able to walk again rofl lolol u r prolly teh biggest pansy of all 71/\\/\\3.

posted by urfaceAugust 9, 2006 at 17:45

Similar experience [ e ]

Hi Gman, I have a similar problem that only started when I came to Japan... but the tale follows a vaguely similar track. I've found that if you go to see a doctor, it helps to visit a General Medicine doctor. Don't go to see a back specialist as they will typically be chiropractors. Meaning they really have nothing to offer on the subject of back ailments not caused by bone mis-placement. A General Practitionar should be able to offer advice on what kinds of doctors will be best suited to your condition.

posted by SABchanAugust 14, 2006 at 1:04

no-go for jp Docs [ e ]

Hi Greg,

I've been reading your blog from time to time for a few months, but I think that is my first comment.
I've been in Japan for 8.5 years and I have back problems for over 10 years (29 now); got hooked in IT @6 (Z80).
I have a plethora of X-rays, CTs and MRI mostly related to this problem. They all are "good" and there is no reason I have back pain (according to jp Docs).
A few months ago I had a similar problem in my shoulder and it lasted for 2+ months. It took me almost 2 days and 10,000+ yen for normal hospitals, then I went to manual therapy and the guy solved my problem in 2x1hours and some 15,000yen. I was really impressed! Lately I am OK, but if I have problems I will sure visit him and not ordinary hospitals. Contact me in private if you need details.

All the best and stretch for rest

posted by KalinAugust 16, 2006 at 10:25

hope u r well [ e ]

Hi Greggman -

    Hope you are doing better.  Any update?  One thing that might help, to a degree:  Get a really good mattress.  One that works for you.  It can make quite a difference, believe me. 

Regards

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posted by BeverlyAugust 25, 2006 at 2:55

How are you feeling now? [ e ]

Consider massage therapy. One study concluded that an hour of massage once a week for 10 weeks, pain levels had dropped dramatically -- by approximately 50 percent. Massage therapists charge exorbitant fees and over the long term, the total expense would be very high. One cost effective way would be to invest in a massage chair

posted by MassagechairNovember 11, 2006 at 5:01

Causes [ e ]

There are several different causes of sciatica. You can tell which neve is being pinched by where the effects (tingling/pain) are felt

posted by arthurmcbethDecember 11, 2006 at 22:24

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I'm in pain and I'm in Tokyo.  Could you please tell me the name / address of that MRI clinic you went to last year.

Thx in advance

posted by PaolaOctober 11, 2007 at 22:35

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I went to Nakano General Hospital and they referred me to an MRI place

posted by greggmanOctober 13, 2007 at 17:28